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		<title>By: None Specific</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5599</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There must be an opportunity for a just society.&quot; the question should be ?Is there an opportunity for a just society??, not a Just Sri Lankan Society but a &quot;Just Society&quot; , and may be a genuine inquiry into that question may shed light to those who see the urgency in such an inquiry together.  May be then the theoretical discussion might cease and the realization of what it means to have an expansive heart and its relation to cessation of issues (which might be what is generally termed as solution) may come into existence.

To those who might feel otherwise, the question is does one need to inquire into &quot;Just Society? for issues to cease or is there another way to effect the cessation issues without the Just society and expansive heart.

Then there are those who have set their rules of engagement in handling conflicts (Conflicts of view point ? between what one wants reality to be and what reality is ? that manifest in actions that will fall into category of Violence) And who is to blame anyone of them if one is to also base their blame on the basis of some rules of engagement. The only possibility of bringing those conflicting rules of engagement to cessation is to impose a third rule of engagement and see that it is implemented (This doe not effect cessation of issue but becomes a dominant rule of engagement, which is what ?48 constitution, ?72constitution and ?78 constitution is all about, where there was no opportunity for just society or expansive heart but a pretense that just society will prevail on the pretense that expansive heart will prevail among the then and future leaders)

The issue, if just society is to prevail, is  what would define the ?Society? (Tamils and Singhalese separate or as one)  and does the constituents of th(ose)at societ(ies)y have the urgency to inquire as to what is Just and find it to effect the cessation of issues. ( Highly Theoretical, is it? If it is so, then the only the third dominant form of rule of engagement to replace the two will be the way out of this quagmire, to morph the issue into something else ? which has been the history of issue over the years, May be the realization of this may bring about the urgency of inquiry )

Is the Just Society in any way reflect what the Buddhist Tamil Society of Manimehalai, Silapdiharam era termed as the Benevolent Monarchy, the sustainability of which was completely dependent on the society  and not on the Monarchy nor the constitution of that rule. May be that is why the Ancient Tamil Saying ?Yathum Ooray Yavarum Kerlir?  - All nation are one, All are my kin ? has meaning and by the way  aren?t Tamils related to the Singhalese  on their mother?s side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There must be an opportunity for a just society.&#8221; the question should be ?Is there an opportunity for a just society??, not a Just Sri Lankan Society but a &#8220;Just Society&#8221; , and may be a genuine inquiry into that question may shed light to those who see the urgency in such an inquiry together.  May be then the theoretical discussion might cease and the realization of what it means to have an expansive heart and its relation to cessation of issues (which might be what is generally termed as solution) may come into existence.</p>
<p>To those who might feel otherwise, the question is does one need to inquire into &#8220;Just Society? for issues to cease or is there another way to effect the cessation issues without the Just society and expansive heart.</p>
<p>Then there are those who have set their rules of engagement in handling conflicts (Conflicts of view point ? between what one wants reality to be and what reality is ? that manifest in actions that will fall into category of Violence) And who is to blame anyone of them if one is to also base their blame on the basis of some rules of engagement. The only possibility of bringing those conflicting rules of engagement to cessation is to impose a third rule of engagement and see that it is implemented (This doe not effect cessation of issue but becomes a dominant rule of engagement, which is what ?48 constitution, ?72constitution and ?78 constitution is all about, where there was no opportunity for just society or expansive heart but a pretense that just society will prevail on the pretense that expansive heart will prevail among the then and future leaders)</p>
<p>The issue, if just society is to prevail, is  what would define the ?Society? (Tamils and Singhalese separate or as one)  and does the constituents of th(ose)at societ(ies)y have the urgency to inquire as to what is Just and find it to effect the cessation of issues. ( Highly Theoretical, is it? If it is so, then the only the third dominant form of rule of engagement to replace the two will be the way out of this quagmire, to morph the issue into something else ? which has been the history of issue over the years, May be the realization of this may bring about the urgency of inquiry )</p>
<p>Is the Just Society in any way reflect what the Buddhist Tamil Society of Manimehalai, Silapdiharam era termed as the Benevolent Monarchy, the sustainability of which was completely dependent on the society  and not on the Monarchy nor the constitution of that rule. May be that is why the Ancient Tamil Saying ?Yathum Ooray Yavarum Kerlir?  &#8211; All nation are one, All are my kin ? has meaning and by the way  aren?t Tamils related to the Singhalese  on their mother?s side?</p>
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		<title>By: asa</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5495</link>
		<dc:creator>asa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfathomable that learned writers herein trying their best appease what Neville Chamberlain tried with Hitler to protect the British interest.

It is utterly shameful that the effect of continuous attrition of the people and land, and flora and fauna in the Tamil homeland by the Sinhala security forces are kept at bay and theoretical discussion is ongoing at a tangent. Tamil people are deprived of everything, and having reached that stage, what do they have to loose any more other than continue to suffer for another sixty years of intra-neocolonial rule with horrendous subjugation of the people!

 Defensive nationalism of the Tamil people is the direct result of Sinhala leadership&#039;s escalating level of repression of the Tamil people. In view of total non-compliance by the successive governments of Ceylon/Sri Lanka of the covenants with respect to Tamils, their independence from the colonial rule is effectively nullified. The Tamil community is effectively in the same situation as in mid-forties prior to independence. We know pretty well now as to why GGP and others could not have comprehended in the atmosphere of 1948 of what was about to be unfolding. Even SJV did not ask for independence of the in 1949 and it took another thirty years for him to promulgate that idea with Vaddukkodai Resolution (VR).

We could not be and should not be in the same frame of mind now as the future generations will condemn our conduct. Conditions and the frame of mind were not that conducive for evolution of VR in 1949, but it is fully ripe now for implementation of that 30-year idea. 

It is imperative that an issue which is nearly two millennia-old be resolved for the good of both solitudes on absolute equal footings that will withstand any crippling effect on it. There must be an opportunity for a just society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfathomable that learned writers herein trying their best appease what Neville Chamberlain tried with Hitler to protect the British interest.</p>
<p>It is utterly shameful that the effect of continuous attrition of the people and land, and flora and fauna in the Tamil homeland by the Sinhala security forces are kept at bay and theoretical discussion is ongoing at a tangent. Tamil people are deprived of everything, and having reached that stage, what do they have to loose any more other than continue to suffer for another sixty years of intra-neocolonial rule with horrendous subjugation of the people!</p>
<p> Defensive nationalism of the Tamil people is the direct result of Sinhala leadership&#8217;s escalating level of repression of the Tamil people. In view of total non-compliance by the successive governments of Ceylon/Sri Lanka of the covenants with respect to Tamils, their independence from the colonial rule is effectively nullified. The Tamil community is effectively in the same situation as in mid-forties prior to independence. We know pretty well now as to why GGP and others could not have comprehended in the atmosphere of 1948 of what was about to be unfolding. Even SJV did not ask for independence of the in 1949 and it took another thirty years for him to promulgate that idea with Vaddukkodai Resolution (VR).</p>
<p>We could not be and should not be in the same frame of mind now as the future generations will condemn our conduct. Conditions and the frame of mind were not that conducive for evolution of VR in 1949, but it is fully ripe now for implementation of that 30-year idea. </p>
<p>It is imperative that an issue which is nearly two millennia-old be resolved for the good of both solitudes on absolute equal footings that will withstand any crippling effect on it. There must be an opportunity for a just society.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr KC</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5451</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISS

I am not suggesting surrendering of the LTTE&#039;s weapons before a permanent solution is reached. What about &#039;putting away the weapons in the armoury under the purview of an international arms monitoring body’. 

1, 2 &amp; 3 ought to be implemented simultaneously and there should be an international agreement on this.

The LTTE has to be progressive; bombs and bullets alone are not going to solve our problem.  

I knew at least 3 yrs ago the last CFA was going to collapse and I urge the LTTE to reinforce it with the following proposal:

http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/category/federalidea/by-dr-kc-chandradeva/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISS</p>
<p>I am not suggesting surrendering of the LTTE&#8217;s weapons before a permanent solution is reached. What about &#8216;putting away the weapons in the armoury under the purview of an international arms monitoring body’. </p>
<p>1, 2 &amp; 3 ought to be implemented simultaneously and there should be an international agreement on this.</p>
<p>The LTTE has to be progressive; bombs and bullets alone are not going to solve our problem.  </p>
<p>I knew at least 3 yrs ago the last CFA was going to collapse and I urge the LTTE to reinforce it with the following proposal:</p>
<p><a href="http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/category/federalidea/by-dr-kc-chandradeva/" rel="nofollow">http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/category/federalidea/by-dr-kc-chandradeva/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ilaya seran senguttuvan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5389</link>
		<dc:creator>ilaya seran senguttuvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr KC (10) Re your comments (1) Yes (2) Yes (3) LTTE claims it is their arms that are keeping the Tamil civilians alive. The way out maybe for both LTTE cadres and the armed forces to be confined to barracks while GoSL with mutually acceptable overseas entities examine a permanent ceasefire.

Re. Nexus (9) I note you favour the LTTE being brought out for an International Crime Tribunal. Sounds OK. LTTE will say the Lankan forces, political leadership also should face trials against attrocities to Tamil civilians. This is being heard even in official quarters like UN/UNHRC already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr KC (10) Re your comments (1) Yes (2) Yes (3) LTTE claims it is their arms that are keeping the Tamil civilians alive. The way out maybe for both LTTE cadres and the armed forces to be confined to barracks while GoSL with mutually acceptable overseas entities examine a permanent ceasefire.</p>
<p>Re. Nexus (9) I note you favour the LTTE being brought out for an International Crime Tribunal. Sounds OK. LTTE will say the Lankan forces, political leadership also should face trials against attrocities to Tamil civilians. This is being heard even in official quarters like UN/UNHRC already.</p>
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		<title>By: Athos</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5387</link>
		<dc:creator>Athos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adey Ranjan Thambi,

/*
he post-independence experience of voting rights has not been without blemishes. The Tamil plantation workers were deprived of their franchise by a UNP government soon after independence.
*/

You missed the Vellahala campaign to remove voting rights from Dalits.  I attach following excerpt FYI.

/* 
The next major effort to thwart Dalit rights took place in 1931, when the then British government of Sri Lanka set up the Donoughmore Commission to look into the changes to be introduced in the country&#039;s constitution. The commission recommended the introduction of universal adult franchise in Sri Lanka. As a result, the Dalits gained voting rights. Unable to tolerate this development, caste Tamils, headed by prominent leaders like S. Natesan, launched an agitation. They were ready to give up their own voting rights to prevent Dalits from getting theirs. To demonstrate their social power, they went one step further and imposed several new restrictions on Dalits. According to the new draconian strictures: &quot;Untouchable women should not cover their torso and (must) remain half-naked. They should not wear jewels, not use an umbrella, nor use the caste thread in marriages. Their children should not bear the names used by dominant castes. They should not cremate, but bury the dead bodies. They should not use footwear; should not get water from public wells; should not sit in buses; nor send their children to schools&quot;. These restrictions were even harsher than the restrictions imposed in the 1930s on Dalits of Tiruchi, Ramanathapuram district in Tamil Nadu by the dominant Kallar, Maravar and Thevar communities.
*/
http://theacademic.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5914</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adey Ranjan Thambi,</p>
<p>/*<br />
he post-independence experience of voting rights has not been without blemishes. The Tamil plantation workers were deprived of their franchise by a UNP government soon after independence.<br />
*/</p>
<p>You missed the Vellahala campaign to remove voting rights from Dalits.  I attach following excerpt FYI.</p>
<p>/*<br />
The next major effort to thwart Dalit rights took place in 1931, when the then British government of Sri Lanka set up the Donoughmore Commission to look into the changes to be introduced in the country&#8217;s constitution. The commission recommended the introduction of universal adult franchise in Sri Lanka. As a result, the Dalits gained voting rights. Unable to tolerate this development, caste Tamils, headed by prominent leaders like S. Natesan, launched an agitation. They were ready to give up their own voting rights to prevent Dalits from getting theirs. To demonstrate their social power, they went one step further and imposed several new restrictions on Dalits. According to the new draconian strictures: &#8220;Untouchable women should not cover their torso and (must) remain half-naked. They should not wear jewels, not use an umbrella, nor use the caste thread in marriages. Their children should not bear the names used by dominant castes. They should not cremate, but bury the dead bodies. They should not use footwear; should not get water from public wells; should not sit in buses; nor send their children to schools&#8221;. These restrictions were even harsher than the restrictions imposed in the 1930s on Dalits of Tiruchi, Ramanathapuram district in Tamil Nadu by the dominant Kallar, Maravar and Thevar communities.<br />
*/<br />
<a href="http://theacademic.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5914" rel="nofollow">http://theacademic.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5914</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr KC</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5329</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ilaya seran senguttuvan:

The last ceasefire collapsed due to:

1. Presence of 99.99% Sinhala army on the streets of the NE
2. Absence of armed neutral peace keeping force
3.Unhindred access to weapons by the LTTE

Unless these issues are dealt with no ceasefire will prevail in the NE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilaya seran senguttuvan:</p>
<p>The last ceasefire collapsed due to:</p>
<p>1. Presence of 99.99% Sinhala army on the streets of the NE<br />
2. Absence of armed neutral peace keeping force<br />
3.Unhindred access to weapons by the LTTE</p>
<p>Unless these issues are dealt with no ceasefire will prevail in the NE.</p>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5321</link>
		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8. 
All good ideas, but delete the words LTTE from each of your proposals, Sri Lanka and the world no longer  deal with terrorists thanks. 

If LTTE want to hand over th leadership to face trial in SLK, India and the hague and change its name and renounce violence the reformed organisation may be apart of the proposal otherwise no thanks buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8.<br />
All good ideas, but delete the words LTTE from each of your proposals, Sri Lanka and the world no longer  deal with terrorists thanks. </p>
<p>If LTTE want to hand over th leadership to face trial in SLK, India and the hague and change its name and renounce violence the reformed organisation may be apart of the proposal otherwise no thanks buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: ilaya seran senguttuvan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5298</link>
		<dc:creator>ilaya seran senguttuvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we have takers in all the major communities for a formuale
for a new Sri Lankan nation somewhat along the following 
lines :-

1. Immediate, transparent and enforceable Ceasefire between the warring factions (Let&#039;s do away with this nonsense of &quot;LTTE will ask for a Ceasefire only when they are weak&quot; Remember Sarath Fonseka gave a deadline to finish matters by 31/12/08 and the  Defence Ministry now says end 2009. This is the nonsense we have heard from the Army for decades now)

2. Parliament to allocate 25% of its allocations for the immediate
development of the North-East.The Donor community to initially pledge 2 billion US$ (of the 4.5 billion regularly talked of) for 
accelerated development of the region.  A distinguished team of GoSL administrators including the Auditor General, Donor Community, a North-East team including LTTE and TNA  representatives to oversee the utilisation of allocations. This development to include
establishment of Garment factories and other industrial ventures in the Region/s to encourage Tamil entreprenauership.

3. Parties in the North East to agree to work within an undivided
Sri Lanka and give up Separation.

4. After 5 years of visible peace and development,  an Island-wide General Election to be held after which the Cabinet to be formed to  consist of minimum 25% Tamil-speaking MPs
from the North-East. The Constitution to  include entrenched Clauses guaranteeing protection to minorities.

5. The armed forces to go back to barracks. Police to be given wider powers/arms to serve Island-wise. Men of religion to be banned from party politics.

6. Sufficient funds to be annually allocated to Education and upgrade schools islandwide where parents are given the choice of the medium of education to their children. All schools to be in a position to provide a sound education to children in all 3 languages.

7. General hospitals in the Districts to be upgraded with annual  large allocations so that patients can be saved from the Private Hospital Mafia - now fattened thru political patronage at the expense of upgrading Govt non-fee levying Hospitals. The idea is to bring back the satisfactory services of the Colombo  and  other General Hospitals prior to the 1970s where families did not go into ruination via medical bills. Even the ICU of the  Cardiology Section at Kynsey Road saw the elite in the country - and indeed others - taken care of by the State with minimal expenses.  Cost of medicine, if necessary, to be borne by the patient to a reasonable extent to be worked out.

8. The Income Tax Dept to be cleaned up where they create files for everyone subject to Income Tax payment. It is common knowledge most politicians and their henchmen who looted the country own mansions, real estate both here and overseas, fleet of expensive vehciles etc and still do not pay Income Tax. This is done largely done in connivance with IT officials.  Where found guilty ,  the stolen loot to be recovered and those concerned given deterrent punishment under the glare of publicity.

I am sure other readers will want to make their own contributions to bring in a new United and peaceful  Sri Lanka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we have takers in all the major communities for a formuale<br />
for a new Sri Lankan nation somewhat along the following<br />
lines :-</p>
<p>1. Immediate, transparent and enforceable Ceasefire between the warring factions (Let&#8217;s do away with this nonsense of &#8220;LTTE will ask for a Ceasefire only when they are weak&#8221; Remember Sarath Fonseka gave a deadline to finish matters by 31/12/08 and the  Defence Ministry now says end 2009. This is the nonsense we have heard from the Army for decades now)</p>
<p>2. Parliament to allocate 25% of its allocations for the immediate<br />
development of the North-East.The Donor community to initially pledge 2 billion US$ (of the 4.5 billion regularly talked of) for<br />
accelerated development of the region.  A distinguished team of GoSL administrators including the Auditor General, Donor Community, a North-East team including LTTE and TNA  representatives to oversee the utilisation of allocations. This development to include<br />
establishment of Garment factories and other industrial ventures in the Region/s to encourage Tamil entreprenauership.</p>
<p>3. Parties in the North East to agree to work within an undivided<br />
Sri Lanka and give up Separation.</p>
<p>4. After 5 years of visible peace and development,  an Island-wide General Election to be held after which the Cabinet to be formed to  consist of minimum 25% Tamil-speaking MPs<br />
from the North-East. The Constitution to  include entrenched Clauses guaranteeing protection to minorities.</p>
<p>5. The armed forces to go back to barracks. Police to be given wider powers/arms to serve Island-wise. Men of religion to be banned from party politics.</p>
<p>6. Sufficient funds to be annually allocated to Education and upgrade schools islandwide where parents are given the choice of the medium of education to their children. All schools to be in a position to provide a sound education to children in all 3 languages.</p>
<p>7. General hospitals in the Districts to be upgraded with annual  large allocations so that patients can be saved from the Private Hospital Mafia &#8211; now fattened thru political patronage at the expense of upgrading Govt non-fee levying Hospitals. The idea is to bring back the satisfactory services of the Colombo  and  other General Hospitals prior to the 1970s where families did not go into ruination via medical bills. Even the ICU of the  Cardiology Section at Kynsey Road saw the elite in the country &#8211; and indeed others &#8211; taken care of by the State with minimal expenses.  Cost of medicine, if necessary, to be borne by the patient to a reasonable extent to be worked out.</p>
<p>8. The Income Tax Dept to be cleaned up where they create files for everyone subject to Income Tax payment. It is common knowledge most politicians and their henchmen who looted the country own mansions, real estate both here and overseas, fleet of expensive vehciles etc and still do not pay Income Tax. This is done largely done in connivance with IT officials.  Where found guilty ,  the stolen loot to be recovered and those concerned given deterrent punishment under the glare of publicity.</p>
<p>I am sure other readers will want to make their own contributions to bring in a new United and peaceful  Sri Lanka.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5266</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unlike kosova (same languge to serbia), the tamils and sinhalse have a very diffrent langauge and religion.. both are majorities in diffrent parts of the island..but both are diffrent cultures in the island</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unlike kosova (same languge to serbia), the tamils and sinhalse have a very diffrent langauge and religion.. both are majorities in diffrent parts of the island..but both are diffrent cultures in the island</p>
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		<title>By: Chales Ryan</title>
		<link>http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/322/comment-page-1#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>Chales Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Karupiah, Do you have a magic wand that can produce a humaist goverment and a satisfactory devolution.?         In other countries only a revolution could produce these results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Karupiah, Do you have a magic wand that can produce a humaist goverment and a satisfactory devolution.?         In other countries only a revolution could produce these results.</p>
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